in the white house and clearly it's a -- >> according to this guy, he said they're evil. >> the fact is if you watch what happened, since i was on the rnc until 2015, everybody thought it was going to be jeb, working up, all the media things were played out right, and brigeitbart stard to surge and bannon was fearless. when bannon went in the campaign, some of us were surprised in the sense he would be going after ryan on positions. not personally. i think that stuff is distasteful. i toedon't know what that was about. he's going to do it again. in is a contrast. breitbart was consistent and is consistent on where they are. it's not where the whole republican party is, but it's where a chunk of the party is. they're going to be fearless on it. >> i think -- >> the personal, i don't know. >> as kristen pointed out, they called the president's daughter and son-in-law evil and hatched a plan, he thought he was talking to bannon but he wasn't, and hatched a plan to drive them out of the white house by the end of the year. >> well -- >> to use all of the influence of breitbart, a very influential site these days, to drive the