and the crowd shouting back. that actually keeps them sort of motivated. we do know there are perhaps 10,000 people who are coming out here to protest in various forms. it's likely but not certain, anti trump groups, anti-fascist groups, all different stripes of all different people coming out. they will start to gather in different parts of the city in the next couple hours. some of them will be here. it is likely a lot of them will converge on this location later in the evening. phoenix police having the difficult job of trying to allow people their first amendment rights while keeping everyone safe. i should say there are some groups as well, at least reportedly on the conservative side of the right, who are saying, come down here, protect your rights, bring your guns. this is an open carry state.