that there are some uncan any parallels and haunting questions that this nation has not moved together to try to resolve. it and plays out in this issue of statue, pieces of steel. >> you covered the civil rights movement, you interviewed martin luther king. it seems to me robyn's article suggests what we might end up with is another period like the late 50s and '60s. where you had deep plit political division, some violence. a conflict that didn't seem like it could be mediated. what seems similar and different? >> i was living in the south then and you had the majored -- the majority of white people were on the wrong side and so were the majority of the governors and police. but you had the national level