this, julie, you know better than i do, a test of who will be more influential? that crowd, center left, or people around mike pence? >> yes. a great point. >> mark short, white house legislative reaweson, a little bigger in reality and the new chief of staff for pence. pence himself. all traditional conservatives. >> just want to state for the record. cnn confirmed according to two administration officials steve bannon is out as the chief strategist. came to the president during the general election. not a big figure during the primary campaign. a big figure as the president shook up his campaign. came in in the shake jurps. one year ago today, jonathan. reminds me, america first, tough trade, go after china. not an interventionist on military policy. criticizing the president's rhetoric on north korea. not true. we don't have a military strategy. steve bannon out. the trump white house in crisis. the question, where do we go from here? >> jonathan makes a really smart point.