that car just grove into people. >> joining us is cornell west from harvard university, and also with us is paris denard, former director of black outreach for george w. bush. dr. west, i know you were in charlottesville over the weekend. can you talk about what you witnessed on friday night during the neo nazi torch march that surrounded the church you were in. i read that you said you never had seen that kind of hatred in your life. >> well, i've never seen that kind of hatred up front on saturday when 20 of us stood there and watched us the various fascist units marched and cussed. you had the nazi torch march where we were held hostage in st. paul's memorial church, with seth and brother payton and sister elaine, who all of us were trying to bring together,