movement that led us to yesterday. and until we have a cold, hard, honest look at our american history and the dna of america, we will not be able to deal with these issues. they were further inflamed, i believe, as people reacted and responded to president obama's election in 2008 and re-election in 2012, and certainly president trump has created an enabling environment through his statements over the last many years. but this is a history that belongs to the ages. >> rick pearlstein, you have studied and written a lot about the right in america. is it fair to say that this has always been to take the martyred version of what melody barnes was talking about? there has always been this undercurrent within some elements of the conservative movement? or is that unfair? >> i think that's very fair. and i endorse profoundly the