years into this now. but now you have two people outside of the white house who are -- their jobs are no longer on the line in terms of what they say. >> and, julian, to you, what kind of effect will these interviews potentially have on the president's agenda and his focus, whether it be with veterans affairs, with tax reform, health care reform, even with north korea? >> extremely disruptive as they've been, frankly, since january. it distracts the president literally away from dealing with those policy issues. it consumes the attention of the media and a lot of washington, so it's hard to focus attention on something like cutting loopholes in the tax code. and finally, it makes members of congress skittish including republicans about what's going to come next, wlast the next shoe that's going to drop and less likely to take a risk to support something the president wants. so this is yet another obstacle and challenge he's going to face when congress returns.