at the same time recognize this is not all about president trump. the issues in this country were not all created november 9th or 8th of last year. like julian said this is reaction to decades of progress and there are these fringe people on the right, this today is a right-wing protest and cunterprotesters, there are these fringe folks that are kind of mobilized and radicalized what they read on the internet they come out here with racist beliefs. they are by the numbers a small group of people, but they are empowered by others who sometimes stay silent. >> tara, i think you -- did you say something? >> no, i just agreed with brian in the sense that they are a small group of people, but it is still shocking to see them on television. and the thing is trump needs to understand that they are a small group of people. and they are worth alienating in a way by calling them out. but it's also politically risky for them and so the people wouldn't traditionally went out to vote and went out to vote for him in 2016. >> yeah, when you even have one