they've done with it radiation where you can read documents by radiating a room. they did it with laser microphones. what that does you shoot it at a styrofoam cup on a desk and take that audio and send it back across the laser. could be any one of these things. the russians have been experimenting with this for years and weaver been aware of it. it's very, very difficult to prove. and that's why we probably haven't gone to the cubans with definitive proof. in a place like havana it's not the germans or somebody like that bombarding our embassy it's either cubans or russians or possibly working together. >> why would they do this? do you think that the cubans would have the ability to do this without russian assistance? >> oh, i don't think the cubans could at all. they need very sophisticated -- a lot of techniques even the cia and national security agency can't replicate. the russians are very good at