i think when mcmaster looks at trump, he must think to himself, this is totally outside my army experience. all i can think is when mcmaster looks at bannon, he thinks this is like dealing with an islamic extremist in iraq. >> you think that? >> i think so. he's trying to fathom, who is this guy? where does he come from? what does he want? mcmaster did work effectively with islamic extremists in iraq, brought some over to his side. i think he's probably been trying to do that with bannon, but ultimately if he has to, he'll snap his neck. >> his u.s. policy and his ideas really led to the surge back in 2007. josh, here's one of the things you said about this. you said bannon is the authentic connection to and representation of trump's base politics. the one thing that trump fears most in the world is losing that connection and losing that support to his base." does that mean that if it were to come to bannon versus mcmaster, bannon wins?