his boss, and they may come after me. the deterrent value is substantial, but it mostly deters the people getting and releasing the information, not the fine journalists who have an obligation to give the public information as to what's going on. >> okay. kellyann conway said it is easier to figure out who is leaking than the leakers may realize. when she was asked if lie detecters will be used to try to determine that in the white house, she said, well, they may. they may not. how likely is that tactic to be employed? >> yeah, this is outrageous, isn't it? if they have to go to that extent, it really says something. i have to say, i find jeff sessions' comments outrageous. the veiled threat against journalists and the idea that he might go after them is just completely outrageous to me. if they're worried about leaks, maybe they should think about what the source of the problem is. i think anthony scaramucci, the