senator flake is not one of them. >> do you believe donald trump is a conservative? >> not in the reagan sense i don't. i think he's conservative on a lot of issues. >> like what? >> energy, for example. >> when did this transformation happen? >> he spent a whole campaign talking about energy -- >> right, but before that since he was pro choice, he gave money to democrats, he was pro single payer. >> and ronald reagan was a democrat until a couple of years before -- >> over a 20 year period of time ronald reagan came to understand conservatism and change over and it was also very different back then. donald trump, it was in like two years all of a sudden. oh, now i'm a republican but he doesn't act like a republican. and to gloria's point, he constantly, when he makes these statements and these tweets, he's tweeting as if he's a bystander, as if he's not part of -- he isn't the head of the republican party as the president. he's doing that so that he can inoculate himself from any failures or any criticism and so