important enough to take to spicer. did he know why you wanted to meet with him? >> no. >> so he just took a meeting. >> i said had i something to talk to him about. rod wheeler was a tag along. at the last minute, i said why don't you join me and kind of get to know sean and meet and so on. my conversation with sean about this recording lasted about one minute. he said ed, i don't know anything about if. i don't want to know anything about it. we ended up talking about many other things. believe it or not, including because he and i both get our shirts at the same place through some company. we talked about the new cotton material on these shirts. that's the truth. >> do you think it's coincidental that there seem to be these meetings that trump officials take they don't note anything about but they take it anyway and when they get into it they wind up changing the subject away from something else?