atmosphere. and you're going to either be a winner or a loser. i think as time goes on, that really begins to wear on people. because quite frankly in an organization, you have to have some friends. and it really raises a doubt in everybody's mind what team you're on or if anybody is on your own team. i think that's just poor management. >> oh this firing that we've been seeing of the shortest chief of staff in american history, would you expect more of that? >> oh, i think there's no question, erin, that's going to happen. this is a president who has always gotten fascinated with people very quickly, even people with limited experience, and consequently, once these people are put on the stage, whether it's in business or at the white house, they just can't succeed. >> jack, thank you very much for your insight. appreciate it. >> thank you, erin. next, jeanne moos on congresswoman maxine water's