then they look at his voting record, which has been largely with trump, and especially last week when he voted four times in support of the obamacare repeal, in particular the skinny repeal, which made a mockery of the whole process he rips in the book, and he voted for that while the book was shipping. on the right, jeff flake has always had a problem with the base, the tea party base. he has that problem to this day. this does not make it any better. in fact, it probably makes it worse by ripping the president. >> i talked to one of his potential challengers who was a little coy with me on exactly what she's up to or what the white house said to her, but brahm, are these challengers making headway against him? >> no. the challenger you spoke to, former state senator kelly ward, she's a doctor, she ran against john mccain just, like, less than a year ago, lost to him in 2016. gave him a good run. mccain got just over 50% of the vote in that primary. so she gave him a good run.