down dow do downloads on what the family, downloads from those people or from the president on all of the nature of those conversations, ideas and people that are being suggestive to the president so he has full awareness of what's is going on in his white house? that's something reince priebus had trouble doing and spent a lot of time trying to be in the room so he could see for himself things nobody else was going to tell him. which was a terrible position from which to try to exert leverage. >> right. >> it's nod bad to have different perspectives in your white house. not bad if you are donald trump and not an ideological conservative, remember, he was a democrat, lived in new york for a while. so it's not bad for him to have steve bannon in one ear and jared kushner in another ear and john kelly, if all of those people are giving you different arguments about, for instance, a policy decision, and then you make your way to an answer, and you make a decision and execute it in a way that is not total chaos and pandemonium. that's kind of like the goal of john kelly in this situation.