if they don't get 50, it's all over, at least from now, do you think they have 50, especially now that we're hearing these five republican senators, including lindsey graham, john mccain, sunny perdue, ron johnson, mike lee, that they are going to basically, david perdue, david perdue, they're going to hold their nose and go ahead and vote for the skinny repeal legislation? >> well, to dana's point, wolf, we have the five senators that are going to make this bold statement that they can't support the bill unless they can be assured it's going to go to conference. it's not reserved to these five senators. i've talked to a number of republican senators today. in fact, every republican senator that i've talked to today said that they do not want this bill to become law. the skinny repeal. that they only want to use it as a vehicle to get into the conference committee where they can hash it out with their house colleagues and come up with something that is something that's a little bit more pal lathable, both a repeal and a replacement. i talked specifically to mike