better, if they didn't, they shouldn't have been in those positions. >> reporter: that's right. that has been a hot topic here at the forum. you know, clapper at one point called this sort of a soft tactic by perhaps the russians to see if people within the trump world would accept any kind of help from the russians. and now, fred, as we've been saying, this is all part of bob mueller's investigation. >> all right. thank you so much from aspen. appreciate it. we're also covering lots of developments involving the russia and the growing russia investigations. we learned that donald trump jr. and former trump campaign manager paul manafort have struck deals and will be interviewed by the senate judiciary committee behind closed doors. the arrangements will allow the pair to avoid being subpoenaed far high-profile public hearing later on. both men have agreed to provide records to the panel and to be privately interviewed ahead of any public sessions. let's discuss all of this and