appearances and looks, mooning president trump, according the "new york times" he said vice pence looked like a president out of the casting. he didn't like john's mustache and that kept him from getting a role in the presidency. he basically told sean spice tore get a make over. how much -- how much of this is about on tics for this president? >> only ticks is very important for him. the president talked about my appearance, he told me i was a good looking guy. later on he changed his mind, he wants to flatter people but he wants them to flatter him as well. he has a very strict dress code at the warehouse, he wants people to look the part. in a way we occupy this age when the surface matters more than