the kind of thing that kislyak was under orders by his boss, putin, to try to get information about. kislyak was doing exactly his job, which is basically meeting with people in the trump campaign, trying to get information about how that campaign would actually deliver on some of its rhetoric during the campaign if it was elected. so that way putin can make a decision about what he thinks of this relationship. >> so the meetings that you know about between sessions and kislyak, that kislyak is reporting on, how many meetings are there, and when were they? >> well, there was a meeting in -- i don't know how to characterize the first encounter. so there is a vip reception before trump gives his first foreign policy speech in april. >> right. that was at the mayflower hotel. >> in washington. so there's an encounter there that kislyak reports on in which they discussed campaign matters. there's a second encounter in july. this is on the sidelines of the republican national convention. it's in a hotel outside the