>> this is according to what intelligence people you have talked to? >> according to actually u.s. diplomats and other officials that dealt with him over the years. not only that, but we did an earlier story that was about a meeting at trump tower in december where kushner, the son-in-law of the president, also met with kizliak, and kizliak also reported that conversation and the contents of that proved to be accurate. >> to those that read a conspiracy, that perhaps president trump is behind this leak because based on what he said, his anger about jeff sessions in that article in the new york times, you have had this information about the intercepts for sometime? >> yeah, no, and, frankly, it has been rather obvious to people who were looking at it when members of congress, democrats particularly, started making public calls saying they believed there was a third meeting and asking for an investigation of the third meeting. comey testified in early june in which he basically said, you know, there is -- he had reason to believe that sessions would