i think he's looking into these options but i don't think that it's necessarily sinister that he's doing so. >> doesn't it show weakness, though? we're supposed to be marking the six-month anniversary of the trump administration. we all think back to january 20th, inauguration day. it's july 20th talking about whether the president can pardon himself. the "washington post" saying he's asking those questions. even if he's innocently asking those questions, doesn't it show weakness for this administration rather than strength for this administration? >> i think it's -- his administration is under investigation. >> how told "the new york times," he's not, his family is not. >> i don't know what he's talking about. the "times" and the "post" have both reported and my information is that they are investigating the president. that doesn't mean he's going to be charged with anything. it doesn't mean he's guilty of anything. but, you know, what else are they investigating? they're investigating the leadership of the trump campaign. he was the leader.