would not have hired him had i known he was going it recuse himself and he didn't answer the questions properly. some very simple questions. that doesn't sound like he has confidence in him. >> well, i -- that's the part of the interview i think that's so extraordinary because if you unpack that, essentially what the president is saying is i thought -- i'm entitled to have a loyalist in that position and that -- the person i thought was going to be my loyalist stepped aside and now i have to deal with people who are going to do it without a thumb on the scale like i expected my loyalists to and that is not the way the system works. that has never been anyone's expectation of how their attorney general would function. the only loyalty the attorney general pledges is not to a particular person or political administration. it's to the constitution and to the rule of law. >> every american should be concerned about what he said to "the new york times" last night. thank you very much. i appreciate that. matt axelrod. >> thank you, don. when we come right back, much more on our breaking news,