phil and susan collins talking about that group of eight to ten senators. there's probably a subset of three or four that will be the toughest nuts to crack for mcconnell at that point to get their yes vote locked in and i don't think they're close to having those folks all locked in yet. >> the difficulty, i think, is that, remember when mcconnell announced, okay. we're going to postpone until after the july 4th recess. votes aren't there. we heard immediately after, well, about eight to ten senators who will be a no. here we are on july 17th -- still eight to ten senators that are no. that's hard. the delay doesn't appear to be convincing anyone. i also think you need to find a way to build at least the perception of momentum. so that some of these members who are on the fence feel as though, okay. i need to be for it, because there are consequences, extra consequences. why? i don't see that right now. right now if you're a no, there's really no active reason for you suddenly to become a