that there is a concrete, direct link between people close to the campaign and to russian intelligence, what he knew and when he knew it becomes very critical, and if there was an attempt to potentially cover up or say something untrue or contrary to what he knew, that is very problematic, because again, it points to potential deception at the highest levels of the government. so, timothy, theat this time, t- again, from a legal perspective, i would think that there would be a bigger firewall between even the president and his son to try keep those lines completely separate and not embroil him. but i've been perplexed by some of the legal moves that have been made in this administration to date, so i guess i can't be really surprised. >> this is some other new reporting from cnn, john. according to a person who's close to jared kushner, the president's son-in-law, one of his top aides, when he learned of this newly discovered e-mail