>> he asked to speak to the person who is supposedly setting this up, eamon? is that how we say his name? >> this is the problem. it makes it seem as though that is not the first reference to the russian government's efforts to help his father's campaign. it didn't take him by surprise. he's not only willing to take the meeting. he doesn't say can you tell me more about the russian government's efforts on my father's behalf. >> in fact, in the chain, a.b., just to your point goldstone says i believe you are aware of the meeting, and then discusses timing. so we don't know that this is a complete factual chain of all the continuations. he asked to speak to this guy eamon on the phone and said have him call me on my cell. we don't know if that happened. >> between the russian lawyer and this guy, goldstone. >> we do know goldstone in their next back-and-forth between