egregious it harms his ability to keep saying the russian issue is a hoax. if he can't say that or things like that, then i think it impairs his ability to continue to have his base think that there's nothing to this. over time this has an effect. >> and also to get things done in washington. if this continues on. and this certainly does hurt that. ali alice, you supported president trump all along, and i respect you for that. and you are a straight shooter, but at what point does it become too much for you when you look at this? is this a bridge too far or what? >> this is yet another chip away at the credibility of this administration. i think it may fall short of any kind of criminal wrongdoing or something further as to your previous guests were talking about, but the problem is the denials of a meeting in the first place and then saying it was about russian adoption and explaining away every other version of the truth until we