sanctions against people who can no longer do business. and it may be ultimately there may be a lot of connections dealing with just down and dirty making money and investments in real estate. >> jack, here's what we know about this russian lawyer, natalia veselnitskaya. a russian lawyer, represents russians wh s who want to see a to u.s. sanctions against them. she said she does not represent the russian government and the kremlin says they don't know who she is. i realize you may not know her, but in general, does anything stand out to you? >> what stands out, she has done work for one of the smaller oligarchs and, you know, denial from the kremlin means nothing. let me just explain where i'm coming from when i said this could be -- this could be something that was actually engineered. she could have easily been bait, and, you know, think about -- the russians knew the trump folks rather well, and if there