role in the meddling. when he's in warsaw, he's saying russia is doing these bad things because that's what the audience wants to hear and needs to hear. on the other hand, the more he accepts what our intelligence agencies are saying is the united states was attacked by russia. we don't know the level of the influence that it had on the election outcome, but it was big. that undermines his credibility. he's trying to do two things at the same time. while he's doing that, he's undermining the creditability of the united states and the credibility of the united states. >> he's going to meet with president putin tomorrow. being a former kgb guy, when he hears the response from the president, what do you think is his read. >> he's going to say, we aggressively took on the united states political system. russia had a major win against the united states. the president of the united