to break up that part of the equation and working with north korean clients is a huge area that i think we can get more of the chinese cooperation on. that's an area that we can further explore in greater detail, and that can slow down the procurement process for north korea's further development of their nuclear as well as ballistic missile programs. >> what about the leader, joe? just kim jong un. what is his mindset through all of this? >> well, that was a very powerful speech. i agree with you. but kim jong un's not going to see it that way. empty words as far as he's concerned. he's looking at this -- that military exercises, the powerful military might that the ambassador spoke about, it's aimed at him. he thinks the u.s. is coming after him. both from his megahello maniac view of the world and because he looks at recent history and he believes that if he looks at iraq, he looks at libya and iran, and he thinks if he gives up his weapons, america will kill him. they see that he was just concluded a deal with iran, and yet there's increased talk of going to war with iran.