trying to get conservatives on and you say we'll repeal it now and talk about something later, what's their incentive to give a little ground on their hard line position? i'm trying to understand your argument for saying that's going to help the negotiation along, rather than hurt it. >> what i'm saying that donald trump is a master negotiator. he, like ronald reagan was a negotiator. and donald trump has certainly made a career out of this. i think he knows in his bones how to do this. he knows when to throw the carrot out, when to withdraw the carrot, when to bring the stick out, et cetera. so he will apply them alternately as he feels sufficient to get to his objective. >> that's a generous view of the president's negotiating so far as president. do you see evidence of that where he's successfully used those skills from the white house? >> what jeffrey is pointing out