individuals that are injured beyond the ones that they've reported, is this a barricade situation, is it a hostage barricade situation, i'm sure they'll wribring no hostage negotiators. they'll keep that place clear, try to locate his vehicle, find out what the cause of this -- this is going to be the big part of it is why did this individual do this, is this something related to a domestic event or is this something related to some other nefarious event and we just don't have all that information in yet. >> sureme. i'm just thinking of all the patients and families who are in that hospital. art, stay with me. tom fuenes is with me as well, former assistant fbi director and one of our senior law enforcement analysts. how do they, tom, all the while, they have police corps donning off the area, on the roof how do they safely and securely get these -- these are patients hooked up to tubes and machines, get them out, make sure they're