>> dealing with mika as an equal is a good thing, not a bad thing. >> he is the president of the united states. she is a basic cable news host. she is not even part of the premium package. >> that's a term -- >> i'm saying it is a basic cable host. i'm not part of the premium package either. >> we are not premium? >> no. >> let's never forget we are the real story. >> can i just say it is a quality would be not using gendered attacks. that's the point. it's like can you bring up little marco, i don't see it as being the same thing. it's like one example, right? we have this long list of him doing this to women. so the point is that it is a gendered attack. he also, by the way, i'm sure unleashed -- i can't even imagine what kinds of attacks