trump at the time said roger is a sewn cold loser. but then obviously roger stone was involved for a time in donald trump's campaign and they seem -- i don't know what the relationship is now. >> well, i think that's indicative of the very much up and down relationship that rump and stone have had over the years. roger was involved in the 80s trying to get trump to run for president, and each cycle has encouraged trump to do that. once trump actually did run for president roger was really sort of a peripheral figure in the trump campaign. he never had an official position. he was very much aligned with paul manafort. so during the period when cory l lewandowski was in charge. it's never been clear to me how much roger was involved with trump and how much he was simply claiming to be part of the inner