looking at real numbers, instead of looking at real data. the fact is we've actually taken a step back, retreated from the world stage and now have people filling that void, whether or not it's angela merkel or whether or not it's vladimir putin. no longer is the president of the united states, and this is the saddest thing about the trump presidency -- but no longer is the president of the united states the leader of the free world. >> so, jason, where's that perspective coming from? that, what you call, muscling up, ruffling feathers around the world can be seen as embracive and disconcertive to allies? >> to be clear i said might ruffles the feathers of those when they see the president is restoring our strong standing in the international space. again, president trump isn't trying to be secretary-general of the u.n. president trump is trying to be the president of the united states and standing up for our interests. i think he's doing a good job for that. supporters of the president who worked hard to elect him are thinking that exact thing and the fact we have a president who's actually going to stand up