so many months after the u.s. election, still so much conversation about what did or didn't happen. some conspiracy theories we hear both on left leaning cable news, on right-leaning cable news. is this a conspiracy trap people are falling into? what does that mean? >> so the fact that there is a conspiracy theory doesn't mean that there is no conspiracy. right? that's a very tricky thing to negotiate. because the more we learn about russian interference, the more compelling the conspiracy theory becomes, because there was really a russian -- i mean it seems, beyond a doubt at this point. but yeah, there was russian interference. the problem with falling into the conspiracy trap is thinking that it is the one theory that explains everything. it explains how we got trump and it explains how we're going to get rid of trump, and neither of those is the case. it doesn't actually explain how we got trump. russians didn't give us trump. americans elected trump. right? so it is also probably not going to be the way we get rid of trump. so there are all these impeachment fantasies and all