to raise the question of, this was all going on on the last administration's watch. why didn't we know more and why didn't we do more and we know partly from the president's perspective, he didn't want to say more about what was going on because he was afraid of the politics of it. he didn't want to seem like he was jumping into this messy election where donald trump was claiming it was rigged and putting his finger on the scale, but ultimately, i don't know that that was the right call in terms of people being really -- >> it's not like this was brought up in the back and forth, that this was some republican administration looking to try to impede and the dnc said no. >> no, no, not at all. it was a vulnerability that among all of the other issues that they had to deal with, you know, i mean, it's possible that this was part of the same bundle of overconfidence that led to their defeat in certain states where they said, oh, we've got wisconsin, oh, we always get pennsylvania, not a problem in michigan. >> we know what we're doing on this computer stuff. >> overconfidence. >> don't get excited. and this was a case where, yeah,