been director of the cia. >> not all leaks have to be classified. there are a number of things that are extremely sensitive without reaching the technical requirements for classification. i just found it stunning that he would, i think, give up the secrecy of a conversation with the president of the united states. i have worked for four presidents in different capacities, and not everything you talk to them about is classified. but i think that that really symbolizes, to me, where we have come in this battle that is internal to one of the branches. it's not a madisonian struggle between, but inside the executive branch. >> couldn't somebody say donald trump is supposed to be this great leader. why can't he control his own executive branch? >> i think in part what's happened is that people who