special council and he succeeded at that. i would dispute the characterization of this as a leak. there was nothing classified about this document. it's a conversation between him and the president perhaps when he was serving in government that would fall under some kind of sense of privilege and frankly there is in conversations with the president there's no equivalent of attorney kline privilege or patient doctor privilege. >> does it have to be confidential or privileged for it to be a leak. >> i don't think so. if i come to you chris and i say tell me what you heard at the dinner party the other day and you recounty to me an interesting conversation you were in, is that just sharing your knowledge or -- >> if the other person never wanted it to be public it is sharing of something that you