i really do think these things get way overblown here. we had the watergate scandal. and that drove a lot of ethics reform, if you will, sensibilities through the following decades. and i think to some degree we overdo these. the main point here in draining the swamp is to drain how washington does business, which is a mammoth policy challenge. frankly, i think back to before i was around to joseph p. kennedy, a stock speculator in the day. when franklin roosevelt created the securities and exchange commission, he put kennedy, the fox in the henhouse. in fact, he did a fabulous job and set the standard here. so my point is, having people who know something about these issues, who are --