trouble you? >> not at all. to be honest with you. >> it doesn't trouble you. >> no. jared kushner was involved in the campaign on policy. involved afterwards in the transition. to me, it's not inappropriate at all for him to be talking to people about, at least the substance what i heard about, we don't know this to be true, was, hey, will the russians back away from iran? that's a good thing to be talking to russia. >> with a back channel, to ask if he can have a communications channel directly to moscow as a member of the -- >> transition team. to me, look, there are all sorts of back channels established in lots of different capacities, and he's clearly a very close confidant of the president and for him to have a back channel doesn't bother me in the least. it doesn't. >> it's in a context, rick, he fails to disclose meetings with the russians on his security forms.