>> each of these things? >> yes. when you build an obstruction of justice case, you have to prove the specific intent to obstruct justice and knowledge of the legal affair going on and an intent to obstruct it. you say that's in the person's mind. how do you prove it? you prove it circumstantially. the attempt to fire flynn, the firing of comey, the pushback against the fbi directors, efforts throughout the investigation about fake news allegations, all that becomes consciousness of guilt evidence. he was aware there was something going on and he was endeavoring to put an toned end to it. >> why can't the white house say, we believed there was nothing the matter and we needed someone to say that was what was going on? >> this is an on going criminal investigation. the president and senior white house team knew that. they should have known these kinds of conversations were at the very least highly