my question to you is a lot of people think about the years at university and say that is time when you're supposed to speak to opposing views and listen to opposing views. because it's the time for you to find yourself, do you think that should happen today, that people maybe perhaps shouldn't walk out and should listen to vice president mike pence? >> i think the people definitely have been listening. over the past few months, the announcement of vice president pence as the commencement speaker was very divisive. some students who support bringing the vice president to campus and feel honored to be able to host him at this university. i think that, you know, brian and luis and those who choose to walk out recognize that. the purpose of the walkout is not to disrupt anyone's graduation day or get into a fight. it's just to stand in solidarity with the people they believe is marginalized and hope it doesn't disrupt the commencement ceremony so much so that other students won't be able to enjoy