>> right. an aide to vice president pence told me today that he stands by those comments that you just heard, that he first heard the news in that interview about general flynn and his ties to turkey. so that begs the question -- so he's basically claiming ignorance. >> right. >> if he were a normal vice president, okay, he didn't know about it. but he was head of the transition. and the report by "the new york times" is that general flynn -- >> they knew. >> -- informed the transition. now, the report says that he informed the counsel who is now the white house counsel but the counsel to the transition, don mcgahn. so the open question now is, if that happened, did don mcgahn just sit on it? and, if so, why? why would he do that? because the whole idea, the whole reason why these kinds of ties are inappropriate and are