defined. the statute that i was talking about, session -- title 18 section 2,000, section 15203 an 1512, the defendant has to act corruptly. that is usually left up to the jury to decide, corruptly. but i suppose donald trump could say i was just acting out of humanitarian reasons. frankly, it is very difficult to come up with a noncorrupt reason to shut down an investigation of your own campaign. >> lots of questions for the white house. >> even if you feel sorry for mike flynn, you know, the idea that you were doing this simply as a humanitarian gesture, i think that would be tough to persuade. but gloria you're right, the issue of motive is certainly a relevant one for this question. sorry, wolf. i interrupted. >> one of those memos written by comey, he is a good guy referring to flynn, i hope can