channels and the reaction would have been one of gratification, maybe one of, hey, maybe we can exploit this, i don't know. i know minister lavrov and ambassador kislyak. i don't think that they are malevolently interested in the united states, but, look, they are servants of the russian state, and they are loyal to mr. putin. they need to be, and as a result they may not have the best interests of the united states and the future flow of information at heart, and a lot of people obviously in russia don't have those views, too, and so we need to be concerned. we need to think about what we pass, how we pass it and why we pass it in a pay that promotes our interests and doesn't open us up to the kind of vulnerabilities that this particular process may have involved. >> ambassador thomas pickering, a pleasure, sir. thanks so much for taking the time. >> thanks, brooke. >> thank you. coming up here on cnn, new details emerging from members of president trump's inner circle who say they are eager for a shake-up at the senior level.