some sort of business deal? >> well, let me give you a parallel we have seen many times. it happens quite often when he have an ethics debate on capitol hill. and that's when some are married to lobbyists. there was a democratic senator who wife was a lobbyist. and frankly they said wairp not entitled to make a living independent of their spousemizech and the court and -- >> jack, what does thought have to do with nicole kushner and jared kushner. >> well, i think the rael is that are we saying that anybody not the titled to be involved with an existing law and be involved illegally -- >> no one said that, but do you think it's okay for her to use her brother's name as leverage? she could do business, she could use this controversial eb 5 program. does she have to mention she's a