your exact role in the campaign, that's been in doubt. you said in december, long after you were let go by campaign, in a press conference in moscow to russian reporters that you had a number of meetings with donald trump. when you and i spoke last you admitted they weren't -- you weren't in any actual meetings with donald trump. you never even met him. the meetings you were talking about to russian reporters were public rallies attended by thousands of voters. it does sound like when you were in moscow talking to reporters that you were playing up your credentials with the campaign. is that fair? >> to the contrary, anderson. at that particular speech that you referenced to the new economic school as well, i was very clear that i was not there representing anyone other than myself. >> but in december, in a press ing conference at a sputnik institute, you were questioned whether you had been in any meetings with donald trump. you said had you been in my meetings with.