have more experience than jared kushner has. that doesn't mean he can't do a good job. this isn't an area where he has a ton of experience. the thing about donald trump that is just interesting is that normally you sort of, you know, underpromise and overdeliver sort of the key to success and he just constantly overpromises and he's done this on so many different things, claiming that so many things are going to be so easy. he's going to build that wall and health care is going to be easy and all of these other things are going to happen and he picks the thing that really is the hardest thing and says i'm going to fix it and, guess what, it's not really even that hard. >> and dennis ross, who worked in the clinton administration on these issues, he said the thing about jared kushner is he has juice and the parties will know that he's close to the president. he doesn't have experience but -- >> why do you think -- i think kirsten's point is an interesting one. as a businessman and doing real estate in new york, it was understandable that donald trump would say, it's going to be the