but if you say someone is a jerk or a fool, those are always protected. and enemy of the american people, that is in his opinion and clearly protected. >> so you can't say crooked hillary? >> jeff is right, otherwise i'd be a very rich man. >> i think, an anderson, the situation like with steve bannon, to undermine the institutions of democracy and discredit them for a variety of reasons. bannon believes that they are corrupt and all the rest but i think you have to see these attacks on the press in a broader context. >> it's all part of that? >> yes. >> and clearly these folks that showed up in harrisburg for president trump, they really believe the press misrepresents. they totally believe this. >> right. it doesn't mean they're right, though. >> well, there in lies the next